Brass or Nickel silver ferrules and fittings

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Brass or Nickel silver ferrules and fittings

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Hi Guys, I am busy making two sets of Leo Rowsome drone's from plans on Chris Bayleys web site, they are turning out quite nicely, Set 1. I have used Madagascan rose wood which will turn black with age and it is my favourite wood, It also gives a more strident sound than ebony, Set 2. I'm making out of holy dyed black, Holy gives a much warmer sound that ebony. I'm useing sheeps horn for some of the decor pieces which I was giving, but! I can't decide which metal to use for the fittings?, I like brass and nickel silver but can't make my mind up which to use, Is it not that crucial or is just a matter of what's easiest and what is available, I sure if the makers of old could have obtained good quality brass or nickel silver tubing in different sizes they would have certainly have used it, I would have also have thought that in the old days in Ireland materials and tools would have been much more scarce and would have to be made by hand, May be this is why more older sets are made with brass fittings, "Any comments on your choice and why." Thanks Stew. 8)
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Re: Brass or Nickel silver ferrules and fittings

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stew wrote:....I sure if the makers of old could have obtained good quality brass or nickel silver tubing in different sizes they would have certainly have used it, I would have also have thought that in the old days in Ireland materials and tools would have been much more scarce and would have to be made by hand, May be this is why more older sets are made with brass fittings, "Any comments on your choice and why." Thanks Stew. 8)
So if tubing is readily available now, why do pipemakers painstakingly roll ferrules from sheet stock??
Special diameters?
Tapered ferrules?
Or just being authentic to the original methods of pipemaking??
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Hi Tony, I think its being authentic to the older ways of pipe making,
when I said tubeing I don't mean the cheap thin gauge tubeing, I mean
Quality gauge tubeing, all the best Stew.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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As a matter of interest where do pipe makers source their woods and metals.....is it easy to get metal tubing, imitation ivory etc.?
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Ferrules are tapered. That's why they are hand-made versus tubing. If tubing were appropriate, regardless of how good the quality of the tubing is, it would have been in use for the last 50 years. Quality sets have tapered ferrules friction-fitted. Its one of those things you should look for when buying a set.

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What about the metal for bass drone and bass regulator pipe(for the want of a better word) etc?
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djm wrote:Quality sets have tapered ferrules friction-fitted. Its one of those things you should look for when buying a set.

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The type of metal seems to be more a matter of taste. Nickel-silver is a bit more brittle to work than brass, I am told. Beyond that, there is no difference other than appearance (and possibly a bit more costly).

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Quality brass & nickel tubing can quite easily be be tapered, :roll:

"But here's one"

Two of todays biggest makers are useing stainless steel,

do you honestly think thee's guys are standing there welding

there Ferrules? get a grip Guys. :(
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Why not?
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"O" Lord! Why me, Here's another one. :cry:
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Seriously...why not? Inquiring minds gotta know.
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Yes, I'm curious, too. Who are these big-name makers who don't roll their own ferrules? I know a couple of makers worked in steel in the past but got out of it as it was too much work and hard on the tools.

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quote:" do you honestly think thee's guys are standing there welding

there Ferrules? get a grip Guys. "
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Feedback from long-established pipemakers on this matter would be a good thing to read right about now....
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